they're Rabid, not Sad

[kate_nepveu]

Point to be made about public discourse about the Hugo nominations:

The "Rabid Puppies" slate, the one put forth by Vox Day (a pseudonym for Theodore Beale), is the dominant slate here. It put more nominees on (58 v. 51), and 10 nominees appeared only on it, as opposed to three of the "Sad Puppies" slate (Brad R. Torgersen). (Breakdown via File 770; don't read the comments.)

If you don't know why this matters, you can read a short, rather restrained summary of Day's views at Wikipedia (content notes for sexism, anti-immigrant rhetoric, racism, and sizeism).

I still don't care that much about the Hugos, but it frustrates me to see news articles, blog posts, etc., acting as though the "Sad Puppies" is the only slate that exists and ignoring the more significant influence of Beale/Vox Day.

Comments

[trent_goulding]

Yes. I'm not sure how much I care about the Hugos, but given that I've spent _way_ more time reading about this crap in the last week than I should, or would expect ex ante, it's apparently more than I would have credited. It's frustrating to see the focus on SPs while eliding the RP presence. One can read Torgersen and Correia (and I have!) and disagree (and think them disingenuous on any number of points), while still acknowledging that they are within the bounds of civilized discourse.

Vox Day is noxious, disgusting, and beyond the pale. His comments on N.K. Jemisin alone, to say nothing of the many other examples one could choose, should make even any fellow travelers with any decency run screaming in a vigorous effort to disclaim the taint of even the slightest association.

[kate_nepveu]

Chad has a whole rundown of ridiculous, playing-into-their-hands journalistic failings he's observed; I've been trying really hard to stay out, but I couldn't help but observe this, and really, people. Stop ignoring the giant hate-filled elephant in the middle of the room!

[rmc28]

It's the people willing to be in a business relationship with him given the sort of things he says publicly (i.e. anyone publishing through Castalia Press) that really boggle me/scare me.

[princessofgeeks]

I think what has boggled me most about this so far is the Slate article quoting W*ll Sh*t****y on this affair.

I mean, how in the world did they rake him up as a source????? And why?

[kate_nepveu]

I'm going to be pretend I never saw this comment.

LA LA LA LA LA the death of journalism LA LA LA LA FUCKING LA.

[mme_hardy]

Look at the astral plane! Admire the friendly horrorterrors! Buy their odd, curiously-worked obsidian souvenirs!

[rosefox]

Oh nooooooooo *digs a hole* *hides in it*

[sovay]

I still don't care that much about the Hugos, but it frustrates me to see news articles, blog posts, etc., acting as though the "Sad Puppies" is the only slate that exists and ignoring the more significant influence of Beale/Vox Day.

I just had to put together a summary with links and citations for my parents, longstanding readers of science fiction who do not spend much time on the internet. I had to read way too much Beale to do it. He should not be euphemistically tidied away.

[rmc28]

You are not wrong, and it is annoying me constantly when I read about this.

[genarti]

Yeah. Agreed.

[damerell]

True enough, although - credit where credit is due - we should recognise that Beale didn't even have the wit to come up with the original stupid idea.