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This is appallingly spoilery; be warned.

The Harry-is-a-Horcrux theory seems to have run around fandom like wildfire. I admit it explains the Parseltongue and the mental link, but I note that it requires:

  1. Horcruxes can be made accidentially (which, I suppose, if the spell is to be cast at the instant of a murder, might work);
  2. Horcruxes can be made without the caster's knowledge (which, I suppose, if you're promptly disembodied, might be understandable); and
  3. Horcruxes can not be recognized when the caster comes face-to-face with one (which, I suppose, might be implied by the fact that Voldemort doesn't feel the destruction of other Horcruxes).

This is pretty tough to pull off. But, if you can get past all that, note:

This means that Harry's not the sixth Horcrux, the unknown thing that's likely Gryffindor's or Ravenclaw's (with the seventh part residing in Voldemort's body). He's a seventh, one unknown to either side; and if he is, then he's in for a nasty surprise when he's destroyed the locket, the cup, the snake, the thing of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw's, and then faces Voldemort thinking that Voldemort is mortal.

Date: 2005-07-17 02:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
If Harry is a Horcrux (doesn't that sound almost Suessian) then why would Voldermort now want him dead/destroyed?

Date: 2005-07-17 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] richboye.livejournal.com
I'll admit that I thought the exact same thing, but decided against it, because that would mean that in killing Harry, as Voldemort desries to do, he'd be destroying part of his own soul.

Also, I doubt one can create one accidentally.

I've been hashing out the etymology of the word - 'crux,' I get, but what allusion is she striving for with the 'hor' prefix?

Date: 2005-07-17 02:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] corruptedjasper.livejournal.com
Neither can live while the other survives, though. If this theory was correct, it'd be closer to say Neither can live while the other dies.

On the other hand, since we haven't had any Voldemort point of views, we *don't know* that Voldemort knows this or not, so only your point 1 remains. I'll note that Draco was sent to kill Dumbledore, not Harry, and Snape apparently wasn't instructed to kill Harry off either, at least not as a priority.

Also, and But...

Date: 2005-07-17 03:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] richboye.livejournal.com
I through this in over in rasfwrj, but I'll add it here as well.


"Voldemort's mother, who "betrayed" her pure legacy by marrying a muggle
was named Merope. As per the Encyclopedia Mythica, Merope was -


"A Greek mythological figure, Merope is one of the seven Pleiades,
daughters of Atlas and Pleione. The Pleiades were virgin companions of
Artemis. Merope lived on Chios, and was often pursued by Orion. Merope
did not love Orion and married a mortal, Sisyphus."
http://www.pantheon.org/articles/m/merope.html


That last sentence is a neat allusion, huh?"


Date: 2005-07-17 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sienamystic.livejournal.com
Part of the theory I've seen kicked around is that if Harry is a Horcrux, he's the Griffindor object. Which might throw the math off, or not work with the "accident" idea about him becoming one, but that's what I've seen in a few places.

Date: 2005-07-17 04:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hhw
[livejournal.com profile] yahtzee63's theory of Harry the Horcrux:
Voldemort went to Godric's Hollow to kill baby Harry. James fought him -- in vain, but apparently well. Voldemort, realizing this to be a serious battle, used James' murder to cast the Horcrux spell, fixing his attention on some relic of Godric Gryffindor that was in the house. (Remember how JKR once said the name of Godric's Hollow was very significant?) He did this at the same time Lily was casting the protective charm on Harry. The protective charm did the one thing that would ensure Voldemort could not kill Harry: it made Harry the Horcrux instead. Harry could no more die than Voldemort, once Voldemort's soul was partly contained in him (as well as in six other beings/objects). Therefore the Avada Kedavra failed. The spell Voldemort cast scarred Harry and refracted back onto Voldemort himself (due to the soul transfer), which is what turned him into the Evil Gray Mr. Bill-like Thing of Books 1-4.

Date: 2006-08-13 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] polkais4lovers.livejournal.com
Reading all the previous comments, I think they bring up interesting points. First, I ask this: do we know that Voldemort used Adava Kedavra on Harry? Also, do we know that the Adava Kedavra spell is used to create a horcrux? I'm not sure if it was ever specified, just that the act of killing mangles one's soul to enable the capture of it in an outside object. I think the brevity of Slughorn's conversation with TR was completely intentional so we would hit this junction as to whether or not a horcrux could be created unintentionally. My gut reaction is yes, it could be, because I think to kill with the intention to then make a horcrux requires a specific spell. There have been other wizard murderers, why haven't they made horcruxes as well if it jut required the desire to remain immortal?

I think James is the descendant of Gryffindor, which is why Voldemort, the descendant of Slytherin, decided to kill his child who, like him, had one muggle parent. I think something with Lily's sacrifice created a magical contract- these, we've come across in GOF but werent too well explained- which, by Voldemort acting to break it, the action failed and the last of his soul departed his body, part of it entering Harry and the other wandering off to Transylvania or wherever. I think Harry's scar is where Voldemort's soul shard entered his body, and when Voldemort is near or emitting emotion Harry feels it in the scar, as the soul wishes to rejoin with him as the concept is unnatural.

Sorry that was ridiculously long. Oh, and one last thing- since JK had divorced, I think it would be like her to implement that in the wizarding world, marriages or other magical contracts were inalienable on penalty of death. Have you seen any instances of divorce in Harry's world?

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