kate_nepveu: (con't from comment field) "that makes glass with distortions. --Audre Lorde" (International Blog Against Racism Week)
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This makes me want to merge my anti-racism icon with my headdesk icon:

As for Dave Karnes, his role as one of two Marines to locate McLaughlin and Jimeno by searching the pile when the professional rescuers had backed off is based on reported accounts and fictionalization, since he didn't cooperate with the film's producers. . . .

Had the filmmakers convinced Karnes to work with them, they also might not have missed a more glaring blunder. [Karnes, the] other Marine who helped locate the two trapped men and who until recently had not come forward, is not white as he was portrayed by the filmmakers. He is black.

Slate, Oliver Stone's World Trade Center Fiction: How the rescue really happened.

Words fail me.

Edit 8/12 5pm: I mis-read the second quoted paragraph, taking the extended opening "The other Marine who helped locate the two trapped men and who until recently had not come forward" as a reference back to Karnes, reminding the reader who he was. I thought it awkwardly phrased and confusing, and so I edited the sentence with the bracketed text as above in an attempt to make it read more smoothly. Upon re-reading after comments below, it seems that the incorrectly-portrayed man was not Karnes, but was the other man. It accordingly further appears that the author of the Slate article did not interview this unnamed second Marine. It is therefore possible that the malfeasance of the filmmakers is less than I had stated below—though I maintain that their incorrect assumption was a product of unconscious racism.

However, I must reserve judgment on the full culpability of the filmmakers, because from the article, it is not clear whether: anything at all about this unnamed second Marine was known before he came forward "recently"; how long ago "recently" was; and, finally, whether the filmmakers made any attempt to find out who he was. If anyone can point me to sources regarding any of these matters, I would appreciate it. end edit

Edit 8/13 10am: [livejournal.com profile] brett_dunbar, who pointed out my mis-reading above, provides two links: (1) a DoD profile of Karnes that extensively quotes him about the rescues, and which to my reading gives Thomas an important role in the rescues, and (2) a New Pittsburgh Courier article about Thomas, "'World Trade Center' omits Black soldier", that quotes Thomas about the rescue and the movie. Read, as they say, the whole thing, but here are the bits about the movie:

The World Trade Center movie tells the story of the rescues of New York Port Authority police officers John McLoughlin and Will Jimeno from Ground Zero, as well as that of the men who rescued them. In real life, the officers were rescued by sergeants Karnes and Thomas. In the film, however, they were rescued by Karnes and PFC Dave Thomas; a composite character, played by William Mapother, a white actor, who is meant to represent Thomas.

World Trade Center producer Michael Shamberg said that they knew about Sgt. Thomas's role in the rescue, but were unable to find him when creating the film. He said producers didn't discover Thomas was a Black man until after they had started the movie. He also said that in spite of the fact that the film was co-written by McLoughlin and Jimeno was consulted for authenticity, no one ever asked them for a physical description of the man who helped save their lives.

"Frankly, we goofed--we learned when we were filming that he was an African-American," said Shamberg. “We would change it if we could. I actually called him and apologized, and he said he didn't mind. He was very gracious about it.”

Shamberg also apologized for another African-American officer, Bruce Reynolds, who was also portrayed as white in the movie.

Thomas, meanwhile, didn't learn the film was about his story until he saw the unmistakable image of two marines peering into a whole at Ground Zero during a commercial for the movie. He said that while he wasn't angry about how the film turned out, he does wish it could have been more realistic.

"If you're going to tell a story, you should try to get it as accurate as possible," he said. "Some of the things did bother me to a certain degree--I'm an African-American male, and there's a white character being depicted as myself. But I'm not upset. It's bigger than myself-It's bigger than Staff Sgt. Kearns. A lot of people lost their lives. That's what needs to be remembered."

My emphasis. So, I'm back to being just as angry at the filmmakers as at the beginning. end edit

Relevant reading: [livejournal.com profile] rachelmanija on multicultural casting: part one, part two. Though really, the level of depth in those posts would probably be lost on those filmmakers.

Edit 8/11 7pm: given that, as quoted in the article, "the filmmakers have repeatedly stated their desire to 'chronicle what happened as truthfully as we could,'", it is no longer permissible to say that the portrayal of Karnes was symbolic rather than historical. I will seriously lose my temper at the next person who attempts to use this as an excuse for the filmmakers casting a white person to portray a black person in a "truthful" portrayal of actual events. Understood? end edit

Date: 2006-08-11 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scifantasy.livejournal.com
OK, that's pretty dumb. But I can see how it would happen, and besides, the World Trade Center attacks have always been a source of weird racial/cultural effects. At the same time, it brought all New Yorkers, of all races, closer together; but it introduced tension about Arabic and Islamic groups; and on the gripping hand New York, that bastion of liberal thinking, tends to be opposed to the war on terror and racial profiling...it's complicated.

In December 2001, a statue was unveiled replicating the picture of three firefighters raising an American flag over the wreckage of the World Trade Center. In it, the sculptor changed three white guys to a white guy, a black guy, and a Latino: "Given that those who died were of all races and all ethnicities and that the statue was to be symbolic of those sacrifices, ultimately a decision was made to honor no one in particular, but everyone who made the supreme sacrifice."

There was controversy, not just from racists, but from people who saw this as a triumph of political correctness over reality. It's not as if having it be three white guys would have sparked a race riot because people would complain of "unrepresentation," but for some reason it was necessary to make the rememberance of an actual event more multiracial.

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Date: 2006-08-13 08:30 am (UTC)
oyceter: (not the magical minority fairy)
From: [personal profile] oyceter
There was controversy, not just from racists, but from people who saw this as a triumph of political correctness over reality. It's not as if having it be three white guys would have sparked a race riot because people would complain of "unrepresentation," but for some reason it was necessary to make the rememberance of an actual event more multiracial.

Wargh! Sorry, I'm not yelling at you, just the people who cried political correctness. Because somehow, the slight effort to make something so historic more racially inclusive is bowing to political correctness while keeping everyone white, since white is of course the default (I say this with sarcasm), is a completely harmless decision that in no way would make people of color feel marginalized and unimportant in the history of the country yet again.

Date: 2006-08-14 03:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pnh.livejournal.com
"New York, that bastion of liberal thinking, tends to be opposed to the war on terror"

Fuck this for a fucking load of tendentious fucking bullshit. New York is entirely in favor of not being fucking blown up. Being a "bastion of liberal thinking" has fucking nothing to do with it. New York thinks that confiscating lipstick and invading irrelevant countries has fucking little to do with keeping New York from being fucking blown up. If you want to call this being "opposed to the war on terror" and prefer to characterize it as "liberal", feel free, but what a comprehensive load of fucking total nincompoopery you are purveying, to be sure.

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Date: 2006-08-11 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] veejane.livejournal.com
I have never seen any pictures of any of the people involved. When the Times profiled first the trapped officers (handcuffs) and then Chuck Sereika (sweatshirt) as part of the Found Objects series, they never showed any photographs of any of the participants, and did not specify race at all, even in minor details. (Texture of concrete being more salient than texture of hair, at that particular moment!)

Since the story was done without several witness/participants' input, and probably the Times essays are what the script is based on, it does not surprise me at all that the casting got whitewashed.

Because being not-white is the exception, not the rule! Even in a major metropolitan city! Don't you know anything??

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Date: 2006-08-11 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
Dunno if you're reading [livejournal.com profile] riba_rambles, but yesterday I pointed out that Kenneth Branagh's forthcoming film version of As You Like It is going to be set in Meiji Japan with almost no Asian actors.
He's crosscasting blacks as the male romantic leads, but the only Asian actors are in extremely minor roles.

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Date: 2006-08-11 03:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rilina.livejournal.com
Oh, dear. I had heard about the casting of blacks as the brothers (both actors I really like, especially David Oyelowo), but I hadn't heard about the setting. It seems likely to be problematic, though I can't find enough information on the film to say.

Date: 2006-08-11 04:21 pm (UTC)
cofax7: climbing on an abbey wall  (Default)
From: [personal profile] cofax7
Oh, argh.

I'll probably see it anyway, but argh. David Oyelowo was Danny on Spooks, yes? In which case, yum.

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Date: 2006-08-12 01:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
Oh, *shit*.

Studying at the feet of Joss Whedon, I see.

Bleah

Date: 2006-08-11 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] netdef.livejournal.com
I call it deliberate ignorance of the truth, an attempt to lay themselves blameless by claiming that the facts were not available (i.e. the original person would not cooperate, wishing himself to remain private as all the best good samaritans do) even though outside witnesses knew the truth and tried to inform the producers.

Date: 2006-08-12 12:32 am (UTC)
oyceter: (still ibarw)
From: [personal profile] oyceter
Drive by comment because I really have to run, but *headdesk.*

Just... ARGH. I anticipate this being touted as an example of being "colorblind" when in fact it is merely whitewashing minorities out of the picture again.

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Date: 2006-08-12 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mawombat.livejournal.com
Here`s an interesting thought: they didn`t know what colour he was, so their default assumption was that he was white.

I find it interesting how everyone thinks their own colour, socio-economic background is the default, normal, etc.

I wonder if this casting goof was an example of that.

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Date: 2006-08-13 07:48 am (UTC)
oyceter: teruterubouzu default icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] oyceter
Well, just from my POV (I'm Chinese, and I grew up in Taiwan and America both), my default tends to be white. I try to fight it, but I think it's just another way white privilege rears its ugly head.

Date: 2006-08-13 08:31 am (UTC)
oyceter: teruterubouzu default icon (Default)
From: [personal profile] oyceter
Hey, er, would you mind if I linked to this in [livejournal.com profile] ap_racism?

Date: 2006-08-14 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karnythia.livejournal.com
I linked to this in [livejournal.com profile] sex_and_race. I cannot say I'm surprised by this casting "error" though. Expect things to get much uglier when the Hurricane Katrina movies start appearing.

Date: 2006-08-15 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] futurebird.livejournal.com
Spike will not mess this up. He is too NYC to mess this up.

Date: 2006-08-16 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
IF you're interested, the issue's just been raised in this post on Alas, a Blog

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