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I am trying to break down the possibilities of what happened to Pink Diamond, Steerswoman-style.

Preliminary statements: I am disinclined toward theories that remove Rose's moral culpability in whatever happened, since this has been so central in complicating our picture of Rose and Steven's relationship toward her. The "misled/lying" categories include "Pink Diamond wasn't actually shattered/was poofed by one person and shattered by another" and "it wasn't actually a sword," as well as "Rose didn't do it."

  1. Everyone who thinks Rose Quartz shattered Pink Diamond are wrong, but in good faith: misled, mind-wiped, something. This is dramatically unsatisfying and pretty hard to imagine working, too.
  2. Everyone is actively lying.
    1. The motivation of Eyeball!Ruby, who claims to be an eyewitness, to lie is difficult to discern. She claims to have specifically taken the mission to Earth in hopes of closure against Rose Quartz, and I don't see anything in her actions contradicting that or supplying another motivation. (Other Homeworld Gems might have reason to lie if it were an inside job, as Blue Zircon suggested.)
    2. The motivation of the Crystal Gems to lie is . . . almost unfathomable, because they know how much angst this is causing Steven. (Yes, even if they're protecting Pearl.)
  3. Some people are good-faith wrong and some people are lying.
    1. Eyeball!Ruby might be misled because of the inside-job thing, but the Crystal Gems lying runs into the same problem as above.
    2. Eyeball!Ruby lying has the same problem as above; the Crystal Gems being good-faith wrong requires Rose to have a motivation to lie to them. Possible reasons:
      1. Protecting someone not a Crystal Gem. (Who? A persistent fan theory is that Pink Diamond wanted out and worked with Rose to do so. This seems baroque and the only suggested reason why is that Pink Diamond also loved the Earth and its inhabitants; I think this is less plausible after "The Zoo.")
      2. Something else I can't think of.
  4. Everyone is good-faith right, including Blue Zircon.
    1. Rose shattered Pink Diamond, but a Homeworld Gem secretly betrayed Pink Diamond and helped Rose: Yellow Diamond, Pink Pearl, or White Diamond are obvious possibilities. Rose was then betrayed when the Diamonds unleashed the corruption on retreating from Earth.
    2. Rose shattered Pink Diamond, and our Pearl shape-shifted into Pink Pearl to make it possible (or Rose had some other help from the Crystal Gems).
    3. Rose shattered Pink Diamond, with assistance from someone not named above. This is dramatically unsatisfying.
    4. Rose did not shatter Pink Diamond, but she body-swapped with someone who did. (Subdivide this further into Rose knowing or not knowing that the person she was swapping with intended to shatter; refer to above for why Rose would have taken the blame; refer to above for possibilities as to who helped her.)

Yeah, I still think Rose did it. Options 4.1 and 4.2 are my choices.

Date: Wednesday, May 31st, 2017 03:43 am (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
The motivation of the Crystal Gems to lie is . . . almost unfathomable, because they know how much angst this is causing Steven. (Yes, even if they're protecting Pearl.)

And on that note, I don't know why they haven't tried to explain to him that yes, killing is wrong, but killing one person to save the lives of millions of people (if not more) is possibly justifiable, especially if that one person is the aggressor in a war of conquest.

It's not like the Diamonds have their hands clean, after all.

Date: Wednesday, May 31st, 2017 05:49 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
Wasn't that basically the conversation he had with Bismuth? "Some things are justifiable" vs. "No they aren't"?

Date: Wednesday, May 31st, 2017 05:53 am (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
Yeah, but he didn't take it to heart because Bismuth was a little too gung-ho on the subject. Hearing it from Pearl, and Garnet, and Amethyst, and his dad, and Connie? That might sink in.

Date: Wednesday, May 31st, 2017 06:06 am (UTC)
rosefox: Green books on library shelves. (Default)
From: [personal profile] rosefox
I think Steven's well past the point where he can be "educated" on something like that. His entire characterization revolves around cherishing the sanctity of all life. And his entire conflict with Rose is that she espoused that but then fell short.

Date: Wednesday, May 31st, 2017 06:57 am (UTC)
conuly: (Default)
From: [personal profile] conuly
They could at least try. It might not sink in now - I remember being an adolescent, and I don't believe I was unusual in being a very black and white thinker - but it'd give him a framework for later.

Heck, they ought to have discussed this with him *before* it became an issue. Like how it's never too early to start talking puberty and sex ed with preschoolers.

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